Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning

[Alistair Aleem <aaleem@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

You'd be surprised how luxurious the hyundais are nowadays.  

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On Dec 28, 2011, at 6:20 PM, Allan V <deftonz1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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> Im not completley tasteless!
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> Allan
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> On Wed, 28 Dec, 2011 6:14 PM EST Alistair Aleem wrote:
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>> I'd go with the Koreans instead of the japs.  
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>> On Dec 28, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Allan V <deftonz1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> Or reliable Japanese alternative...if you dont have bags of money to spare
>>> 
>>> Allan
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>>> On Thu, 22 Dec, 2011 10:37 PM EST Patrick Tone wrote:
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>>> One buys a BMW instead of a VW/Audi. 
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>>> • Patrick Tone 
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>>> On 2011-12-22, at 22:11, "Jer" <mk2jer@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>> Just a staggering statement, below.
>>>> I can see both sides, but just can't fathom what the manufacturer is asking and what sort of benchmark this has set.
>>>> 
>>>> What does one do?
>>>> Suck it up?
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>>>> From: Gareth Pocock <kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:30:11 -0500
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx<list@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
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>>>> I would think it is on the customer if Audi has run their oil consumption test and validated that there is no 'issue'...as is the case for the 3 people I know who've tried to get new motors. 
>>>> 
>>>> Plus if your oil light is on and you don't top it off who should be at fault?
>>>> 
>>>> J-rod told me a while back when i got the mkv, that it's really really difficult to get a new motor as a result of this issue unless the consumption is more than VW/Audi's test allows for...and because of how unreasonable the allowable consumption limit is it seems you'll pretty much be stuck having to top off your oil every 3-4 fill ups as long as you own the car. 
>>>> 
>>>> - gareth
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>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:10 PM, tmb <the_questionist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>> are you sure about that scott?
>>>> 
>>>> the manufacturer can't assume that their customers know how to even pop the hood of their cars, let alone check the oil.  if the car is brought to the dealer with 1L less oil per 2000km, and they say its normal, then who is to be believed?  the dealer?  or the car's OBD system?
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>>>> if the engine is damaged between regularly scheduled oil changes, and the customer has records showing that the services were done as per VW/Audi, and that the customers' concerns of excessive oil consumption were disregarded, then it is most certainly not on the customer to pay for the repairs.  
>>>> 
>>>> jason
>>>> tmb
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>>>> From: Scott ... <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto <list@xxxxxxxx> 
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:08:07 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> 
>>>> the onus is still on the vehicle owner to check oil level between changes. If they run it dry and seize it then the mfg isn't going cover it regardless of how much oil the engines uses.
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>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> From: mk2jer@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:41:26 +0000
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, THEN who's on the hook?
>>>> 
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>>>> From: canadaboy@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:32:14 +0000
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>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
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>>>> One would think emissions etc would suffer from that volume.
>>>> 
>>>> Buddy at work correctly pointed out that if he follows the audi guidelines for oilchanges, he will run out of oil before the next scheduled change.
>>>> 
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>>>> From: "Scott ..." <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx> 
>>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:37:29 -0500
>>>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto<list@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
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>>>> engines 'using' oil seems to be a common issue with modern turbo 4's... MINI has the same issue with their 1.6T in the cooper S and they say the same thing, its normal. *shrug*
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>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> From: kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:13:33 -0500
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
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>>>> Yes, 2.0L FSI/TFSI motors. 
>>>> 
>>>> From what I've gathered the 2006-2008.5 versions were most troublesome. 
>>>> 
>>>> -gareth
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>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:04 PM, <andymoore@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>> I assume we're talking about the same motor in all these cases? 2.0?
>>>> 
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:42:12 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> From: sandor@xxxxxxxx
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
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>>>> wow...1L every 2K...that's enough to make most high mileage VR's blush.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> So I have a buddy here at work who has a 2 year old A4. He's
>>>>> currently burning 1L of oil per 2000km. He's talked to Audi, and they
>>>>> tell him this is perfectly normal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you smart people think? that sounds excessive to me...
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