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Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning

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Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
From: "Jer" <mk2jer@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 00:02:23 +0000
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Subaru?

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From: Allan V <deftonz1@xxxxxxxxx>
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Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:59:22 
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=0AOr reliable Japanese alternative...if you dont have bags of money to spa=
re

Allan


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On Thu, 22 Dec, 2011 10:37 PM EST Patrick Tone wrote:

>One buys a BMW instead of a VW/Audi.=20
>
>=E2=80=A2 Patrick Tone =EE=8C=8C
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>On 2011-12-22, at 22:11, "Jer" <mk2jer@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Just a staggering statement, below.
>> I can see both sides, but just can't fathom what the manufacturer is ask=
ing and what sort of benchmark this has set.
>>=20
>> What does one do?
>> Suck it up?
>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>> From: Gareth Pocock <kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:30:11 -0500
>> To: list@xxxxxxxx<list@xxxxxxxx>
>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>=20
>> I would think it is on the customer if Audi has run their oil consumptio=
n test and validated that there is no 'issue'...as is the case for the 3 pe=
ople I know who've tried to get new motors.=20
>>=20
>> Plus if your oil light is on and you don't top it off who should be at f=
ault?
>>=20
>> J-rod told me a while back when i got the mkv, that it's really really d=
ifficult to get a new motor as a result of this issue unless the consumptio=
n is more than VW/Audi's test allows for...and because of how unreasonable =
the allowable consumption limit is it seems you'll pretty much be stuck hav=
ing to top off your oil every 3-4 fill ups as long as you own the car.=20
>>=20
>> - gareth
>>=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:10 PM, tmb <the_questionist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>=20
>> are you sure about that scott?
>> =20
>> the manufacturer can't assume that their customers know how to even pop =
the hood of their cars, let alone check the oil.  if the car is brought to =
the dealer with 1L less oil per 2000km, and they say its normal, then who i=
s to be believed?  the dealer?  or the car's OBD system?
>> =20
>> if the engine is damaged between regularly scheduled oil changes, and th=
e customer has records showing that the services were done as per VW/Audi, =
and that the customers' concerns of excessive oil consumption were disregar=
ded, then it is most certainly not on the customer to pay for the repairs. =
=20
>> =20
>> jason
>> tmb
>> =20
>> From: Scott ... <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto <list@xxxxxxxx>=20
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:08:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>=20
>> the onus is still on the vehicle owner to check oil level between change=
s. If they run it dry and seize it then the mfg isn't going cover it regard=
less of how much oil the engines uses.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>> From: mk2jer@xxxxxxxx
>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:41:26 +0000
>>=20
>> Yeah, THEN who's on the hook?
>>=20
>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>> From: canadaboy@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:32:14 +0000
>> To: <list@xxxxxxxx>
>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>=20
>> One would think emissions etc would suffer from that volume.
>>=20
>> Buddy at work correctly pointed out that if he follows the audi guidelin=
es for oilchanges, he will run out of oil before the next scheduled change.
>>=20
>>=20
>> From: "Scott ..." <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx>=20
>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:37:29 -0500
>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto<list@xxxxxxxx>
>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>=20
>> engines 'using' oil seems to be a common issue with modern turbo 4's... =
MINI has the same issue with their 1.6T in the cooper S and they say the sa=
me thing, its normal. *shrug*
>>=20
>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>> From: kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:13:33 -0500
>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>=20
>> Yes, 2.0L FSI/TFSI motors.=20
>>=20
>> From what I've gathered the 2006-2008.5 versions were most troublesome.=
=20
>>=20
>> -gareth
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>=20
>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:04 PM, <andymoore@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>=20
>> I assume we're talking about the same motor in all these cases? 2.0?
>>=20
>> > Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:42:12 -0500
>> > Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>> > From: sandor@xxxxxxxx
>> > To: list@xxxxxxxx
>> >=20
>> > wow...1L every 2K...that's enough to make most high mileage VR's blush=
.
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> > > So I have a buddy here at work who has a 2 year old A4. He's
>> > > currently burning 1L of oil per 2000km. He's talked to Audi, and the=
y
>> > > tell him this is perfectly normal.
>> > >
>> > > What do you smart people think? that sounds excessive to me...
>> > >
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