Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning

[Allan V <deftonz1@xxxxxxxxx>]

K man knows what im talking about...had an STI come around atthe right price i would be driving one. There is no Korean car that causes half reaction as an EVO8 nevermind the EVO 10. Korean cars are a cheap substitute for Japanese cars.

Buying a Genisis really just means you cant afford an 7 or S...your not fooling all of us.

Allan


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On Wed, 28 Dec, 2011 8:30 PM EST Kreso wrote:



>Subarus great cars no electrical problems. Made by Fuji Heavy Industries.
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>On 2011-12-28, at 7:02 PM, "Jer" <mk2jer@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Subaru?
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>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Allan V <deftonz1@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:59:22
>> To: <list@xxxxxxxx>
>> Reply-To: list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>> 
>> =0AOr reliable Japanese alternative...if you dont have bags of money to spa=
>> re
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>> Allan
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>> On Thu, 22 Dec, 2011 10:37 PM EST Patrick Tone wrote:
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>> One buys a BMW instead of a VW/Audi.=20
>> 
>> =E2=80=A2 Patrick Tone =EE=8C=8C
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>> On 2011-12-22, at 22:11, "Jer" <mk2jer@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> Just a staggering statement, below.
>>> I can see both sides, but just can't fathom what the manufacturer is ask=
>> ing and what sort of benchmark this has set.
>>> =20
>>> What does one do?
>>> Suck it up?
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>>> From: Gareth Pocock <kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:30:11 -0500
>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx<list@xxxxxxxx>
>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> =20
>>> I would think it is on the customer if Audi has run their oil consumptio=
>> n test and validated that there is no 'issue'...as is the case for the 3 pe=
>> ople I know who've tried to get new motors.=20
>>> =20
>>> Plus if your oil light is on and you don't top it off who should be at f=
>> ault?
>>> =20
>>> J-rod told me a while back when i got the mkv, that it's really really d=
>> ifficult to get a new motor as a result of this issue unless the consumptio=
>> n is more than VW/Audi's test allows for...and because of how unreasonable =
>> the allowable consumption limit is it seems you'll pretty much be stuck hav=
>> ing to top off your oil every 3-4 fill ups as long as you own the car.=20
>>> =20
>>> - gareth
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> =20
>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:10 PM, tmb <the_questionist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> =20
>>> are you sure about that scott?
>>> =20
>>> the manufacturer can't assume that their customers know how to even pop =
>> the hood of their cars, let alone check the oil.  if the car is brought to =
>> the dealer with 1L less oil per 2000km, and they say its normal, then who i=
>> s to be believed?  the dealer?  or the car's OBD system?
>>> =20
>>> if the engine is damaged between regularly scheduled oil changes, and th=
>> e customer has records showing that the services were done as per VW/Audi, =
>> and that the customers' concerns of excessive oil consumption were disregar=
>> ded, then it is most certainly not on the customer to pay for the repairs. =
>> =20
>>> =20
>>> jason
>>> tmb
>>> =20
>>> From: Scott ... <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto <list@xxxxxxxx>=20
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:08:07 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> =20
>>> the onus is still on the vehicle owner to check oil level between change=
>> s. If they run it dry and seize it then the mfg isn't going cover it regard=
>> less of how much oil the engines uses.
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>> From: mk2jer@xxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:41:26 +0000
>>> =20
>>> Yeah, THEN who's on the hook?
>>> =20
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>>> From: canadaboy@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:32:14 +0000
>>> To: <list@xxxxxxxx>
>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> =20
>>> One would think emissions etc would suffer from that volume.
>>> =20
>>> Buddy at work correctly pointed out that if he follows the audi guidelin=
>> es for oilchanges, he will run out of oil before the next scheduled change.
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>> From: "Scott ..." <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx>=20
>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:37:29 -0500
>>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto<list@xxxxxxxx>
>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> =20
>>> engines 'using' oil seems to be a common issue with modern turbo 4's... =
>> MINI has the same issue with their 1.6T in the cooper S and they say the sa=
>> me thing, its normal. *shrug*
>>> =20
>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> From: kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:13:33 -0500
>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>> =20
>>> Yes, 2.0L FSI/TFSI motors.=20
>>> =20
>>> From what I've gathered the 2006-2008.5 versions were most troublesome.=
>> =20
>>> =20
>>> -gareth
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>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> =20
>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:04 PM, <andymoore@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> =20
>>> I assume we're talking about the same motor in all these cases? 2.0?
>>> =20
>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:42:12 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> From: sandor@xxxxxxxx
>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>> =20
>>> wow...1L every 2K...that's enough to make most high mileage VR's blush=
>> .
>>> =20
>>> =20
>>>> So I have a buddy here at work who has a 2 year old A4. He's
>>>> currently burning 1L of oil per 2000km. He's talked to Audi, and the=
>> y
>>>> tell him this is perfectly normal.
>>>> 
>>>> What do you smart people think? that sounds excessive to me...
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