Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning

[Alistair Aleem <aaleem@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I don't think there was initially any talk about a sporty car.   If sporty then yes Evo or sti. 

I meant in general the Koreans are very good contenders with the japs.  

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On Dec 28, 2011, at 10:32 PM, Allan V <deftonz1@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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> K man knows what im talking about...had an STI come around atthe right price i would be driving one. There is no Korean car that causes half reaction as an EVO8 nevermind the EVO 10. Korean cars are a cheap substitute for Japanese cars.
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> Buying a Genisis really just means you cant afford an 7 or S...your not fooling all of us.
> 
> Allan
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> On Wed, 28 Dec, 2011 8:30 PM EST Kreso wrote:
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>> Subarus great cars no electrical problems. Made by Fuji Heavy Industries.
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>> Sent from my iPod
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>> On 2011-12-28, at 7:02 PM, "Jer" <mk2jer@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>> Subaru?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Allan V <deftonz1@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>> Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 14:59:22
>>> To: <list@xxxxxxxx>
>>> Reply-To: list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>> 
>>> =0AOr reliable Japanese alternative...if you dont have bags of money to spa=
>>> re
>>> 
>>> Allan
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>>> On Thu, 22 Dec, 2011 10:37 PM EST Patrick Tone wrote:
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>>> One buys a BMW instead of a VW/Audi.=20
>>> 
>>> =E2=80=A2 Patrick Tone =EE=8C=8C
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>>> 
>>> On 2011-12-22, at 22:11, "Jer" <mk2jer@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Just a staggering statement, below.
>>>> I can see both sides, but just can't fathom what the manufacturer is ask=
>>> ing and what sort of benchmark this has set.
>>>> =20
>>>> What does one do?
>>>> Suck it up?
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>>>> From: Gareth Pocock <kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:30:11 -0500
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx<list@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> =20
>>>> I would think it is on the customer if Audi has run their oil consumptio=
>>> n test and validated that there is no 'issue'...as is the case for the 3 pe=
>>> ople I know who've tried to get new motors.=20
>>>> =20
>>>> Plus if your oil light is on and you don't top it off who should be at f=
>>> ault?
>>>> =20
>>>> J-rod told me a while back when i got the mkv, that it's really really d=
>>> ifficult to get a new motor as a result of this issue unless the consumptio=
>>> n is more than VW/Audi's test allows for...and because of how unreasonable =
>>> the allowable consumption limit is it seems you'll pretty much be stuck hav=
>>> ing to top off your oil every 3-4 fill ups as long as you own the car.=20
>>>> =20
>>>> - gareth
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> =20
>>>> On Dec 22, 2011, at 6:10 PM, tmb <the_questionist@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> are you sure about that scott?
>>>> =20
>>>> the manufacturer can't assume that their customers know how to even pop =
>>> the hood of their cars, let alone check the oil.  if the car is brought to =
>>> the dealer with 1L less oil per 2000km, and they say its normal, then who i=
>>> s to be believed?  the dealer?  or the car's OBD system?
>>>> =20
>>>> if the engine is damaged between regularly scheduled oil changes, and th=
>>> e customer has records showing that the services were done as per VW/Audi, =
>>> and that the customers' concerns of excessive oil consumption were disregar=
>>> ded, then it is most certainly not on the customer to pay for the repairs. =
>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> jason
>>>> tmb
>>>> =20
>>>> From: Scott ... <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto <list@xxxxxxxx>=20
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 9:08:07 PM
>>>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> =20
>>>> the onus is still on the vehicle owner to check oil level between change=
>>> s. If they run it dry and seize it then the mfg isn't going cover it regard=
>>> less of how much oil the engines uses.
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> From: mk2jer@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:41:26 +0000
>>>> =20
>>>> Yeah, THEN who's on the hook?
>>>> =20
>>>> Sent from my BlackBerry device on the Rogers Wireless Network
>>>> From: canadaboy@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 01:32:14 +0000
>>>> To: <list@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> =20
>>>> One would think emissions etc would suffer from that volume.
>>>> =20
>>>> Buddy at work correctly pointed out that if he follows the audi guidelin=
>>> es for oilchanges, he will run out of oil before the next scheduled change.
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> From: "Scott ..." <far4ngn@xxxxxxxxxxx>=20
>>>> Sender: owner-vwotm@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:37:29 -0500
>>>> To: Volkswagens of Toronto<list@xxxxxxxx>
>>>> ReplyTo: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: RE: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> =20
>>>> engines 'using' oil seems to be a common issue with modern turbo 4's... =
>>> MINI has the same issue with their 1.6T in the cooper S and they say the sa=
>>> me thing, its normal. *shrug*
>>>> =20
>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> From: kramerica.ind@xxxxxxxxx
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:13:33 -0500
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> =20
>>>> Yes, 2.0L FSI/TFSI motors.=20
>>>> =20
>>>> From what I've gathered the 2006-2008.5 versions were most troublesome.=
>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>> -gareth
>>>> =20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> =20
>>>> On Dec 21, 2011, at 7:04 PM, <andymoore@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> =20
>>>> I assume we're talking about the same motor in all these cases? 2.0?
>>>> =20
>>>> Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:42:12 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [VWoT] Audi oil burning
>>>> From: sandor@xxxxxxxx
>>>> To: list@xxxxxxxx
>>>> =20
>>>> wow...1L every 2K...that's enough to make most high mileage VR's blush=
>>> .
>>>> =20
>>>> =20
>>>>> So I have a buddy here at work who has a 2 year old A4. He's
>>>>> currently burning 1L of oil per 2000km. He's talked to Audi, and the=
>>> y
>>>>> tell him this is perfectly normal.
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you smart people think? that sounds excessive to me...
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